they were supposed to be returned to their mother december 26th after a trip to tennessee with their father. never returned. what do you know? >> what we know is these two young boys, and actually, today is the younger brother's birthday. and so his mom, who i've met and talked to, and she'll be joining us soon, she went out, she went ahead and got him a birthday cake and presents, because she is looking forward to celebrating as a family when those little boys come home. this is a father who did have custody or visitation, excuse me. he was allowed to have that visitation. but what he did was he's overextended it, don. and he has a lot of people worried, because, yes, he loves those boys. but he is keeping them over in violation of a court order. so what he needs to do is bring them safely home so that the boys don't get worried. they're 7 and 9. at that age, they're old enough to know, hey, it's time for us to go home. we need to work this out in an aimable way. they have parents who love them. but you know, he's kind of pushing the envelope. >> is there a way he doesn't know that they're -- he knows. >> he knows. he's aware they're looking.